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PostPosted: November 11th, 2017, 8:55 am 
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I came across this and thought it was interesting. It's hard to believe the Ducati has 160 HP. My 1999 Honda XL1000v is the same weight at 85 HP and still scares the $hit out of me. I still think the new Africa Twin is to big to be riding in the dirt.

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PostPosted: November 12th, 2017, 2:03 am 
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thanks for sharing I haven't even been stood next to a new Africa twin yet I met a black one on the road weeks after they were launched it looked nice and compact like a transalp 600 on stilts and I seen a white one pass my house in amongst a bunch of adventure bikes . usually the first bike gets my attention so I am only over by the window to see the third bike . I have seen brand new gs 1200's about they seem to attract some elitist pricks ok looking bikes but the ktm 1190 adventure looks way better I have met people on them they look good riding past and sat still . I seen a ducati multi strada parked up looks great sat still but not as good as the ktm while in motion though . if I had the beans to buy a new bike it would be a Honda vfr1200x crosstourer no doubt about it and it wouldn't be going off road . why settle for anything less than Honda reliability I don't even think the new Africa twin is as good a bike as a varadero 1000 or a vfr1200x they have yet to prove themselves . I have done a lot of off road on my transalp 600 this year way more than usual . its doable and has given me a taste for off road I would love a Suzuki dr 350 for foresty tracks and maybe even taking part in hare and hound events . I wouldn't be expecting to way just to have a lot of fun that would do . :D


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PostPosted: November 13th, 2017, 5:44 am 
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Thanks mate. I have said elsewhere on the forum that I thought the new Africa Twin may be a better bike than my '03 XL650V Transalp, due to it being lighter, more powerful and having better suspension and brakes, but that I prefer my 650 because I own it and the price here in Oz is rather expensive, that goes for all the others in that shootout.
That won't stop me from ogling them all.

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PostPosted: November 13th, 2017, 8:20 am 
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The CRF1000 is about 50lbs heavier that the XL650V. Plus another 20lbs for the DCT.

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PostPosted: November 14th, 2017, 11:35 pm 
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The "dry weight for a 650 is, I believe, "Ducati dry" no tyres, battery etc, my manual gives 3 weights ( I may be remembering these wrong but close enough), dry: 192kg; empty:212kg; fully fuelled: 238kg. Times 2.205 for weight in English pounds, not sure if US pounds are different. The Africa Twin manual (standard) here in Oz was quoted as 228kg fully fuelled. Even the ABS model is 232kg. One of our bike magazines at the time it was released gave the weight as less than 220kg making it much lighter.

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PostPosted: November 15th, 2017, 9:11 am 
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American Honda has the weight of the 2017 Africa Twin as 511lbs (231kg) and 534lbs (242kg) for the DCT. That's with a full tank of gas ready to ride.

All the numbers I can find about your 650 say it should weigh 463lbs (210kg) ready to ride.

My 89 600 should weigh 428lbs (194kg) ready to ride. I've got it down to 414lbs now. (KLR650 = 416lbs BUT it holds and extra 6+lbs of fuel)

I'm surprised to see that the 650 weighs so much more than the 600.

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PostPosted: November 15th, 2017, 9:20 am 
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650 is bigger bike than 600, i sat on a 600 the other day and it looked tiny....I ride 700 now but I had 650 and remember it being bigger.....

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PostPosted: November 15th, 2017, 7:02 pm 
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Skyliner wrote:
American Honda has the weight of the 2017 Africa Twin as 511lbs (231kg) and 534lbs (242kg) for the DCT. That's with a full tank of gas ready to ride.

All the numbers I can find about your 650 say it should weigh 463lbs (210kg) ready to ride.

My 89 600 should weigh 428lbs (194kg) ready to ride. I've got it down to 414lbs now. (KLR650 = 416lbs BUT it holds and extra 6+lbs of fuel)

I'm surprised to see that the 650 weighs so much more than the 600.
I just realised that, although I am staying and working 140km from home, the owners manual is in the bike downstairs so I've attached a pic of the spec page. Add 19.6 litres of petrol at 0.74kg per l and you get another 14.5 kg. Total 225.5kg. For some reason I had 238kg in my head. As she sits downstairs with topbox and soft pannier frames that is probably closer to the mark.ImageImage

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PostPosted: November 15th, 2017, 8:30 pm 
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I always figured "dry weight" was how we received the bikes from Honda, No gas, no water, no oil and no battery acid.

I'm guessing that "Empty Weight" is no rider and no luggage.

But your still lighter than a new Africa Twin.

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PostPosted: November 16th, 2017, 12:39 pm 
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My understanding of empty means no fuel. The weight of the fluids goes something like - 2.8litres of oil at 0 .84kg / l =2.35kg, 2l of water = 2kg, at a guess 0.5kg of battery acid, perhaps 0.2kg of brake fluid, 14.5kg of fuel, it all adds up to more than the 15kg difference.
Dry weight used to exclude all liquids and any add on to the bike that held any fluid (including that fluid called air) so no battery and no tyres were fitted for "dry" weight, though I don't know if Honda would have gone that far with an adventure tourer. One story had it that Ducati removed tyres, battery and all liquids, then put their bikes in a dehumidifier for days to remove every last drop of moisture from the seat foam before putting their bikes on the scales.
In recent years I've read that they all seem to have gone away from this extreme, as buyers became aware of the hoodwink being pulled, and more interested in what the bike they were lusting after weighed ready to ride.

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PostPosted: November 20th, 2017, 7:27 am 
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KTM weights generally prove out. Their weights are quoted with all fluids except gas, which makes the most sense to me.

Everyone else seems like they're still at least somewhat optimistic.


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PostPosted: November 20th, 2017, 1:33 pm 
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Should be a new law passed worldwide...so every bike manafacturer has to stick to the same rules...full of oil and tank full of fuel etc...exactly as we would ride the bloody things...but then again i only weigh in at 238 lbs after not eating for 24 hours and having a good session in the toilet...that's what i write in my diet book on Saturday mornings....fair play EHHH !
As you can tell my power to weight ratio is not the best..bit like my BMI...BODY MASS INDEX / bike mass index works out similar...but 50 bhp does me fine anyway.....


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PostPosted: November 22nd, 2017, 9:17 am 
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andy stannard wrote:
Should be a new law passed worldwide...so every bike manafacturer has to stick to the same rules...full of oil and tank full of fuel etc...exactly as we would ride the bloody things...but then again i only weigh in at 238 lbs after not eating for 24 hours and having a good session in the toilet...that's what i write in my diet book on Saturday mornings....fair play EHHH !
As you can tell my power to weight ratio is not the best..bit like my BMI...BODY MASS INDEX / bike mass index works out similar...but 50 bhp does me fine anyway.....


The problem with full of fuel weight is that it penalizes bikes with large tanks. So, empty makes the most sense. It's easy for anyone to replicate, just drain the tank.

I don't know about you, but I don't ride my bike with a full tank of fuel except when I have just left the gas station. KTM has it right, empty of gas, full of everything else.


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